In this episode of The NOLS Podcast, John Kanengieter, NOLS Director for Leadership, sits down with Jamie O’Donnell, NOLS instructor and program supervisor, to discuss the leadership progression on a course and speak to the unscripted nature and subtle nuances of how we teach leadership.

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Topics: NOLS, leadership, jamie o'donnell, leadership progression, discussion, Expedition Prep, leaders, experiential education, learn, John Kanengieter, curriculum, NOLS Professional, teach, Educators Notebook, instructor, outdoor education